Luffy & Zolo VS Naruto & Sasuke

[XtremeGamer]

Place your bets i have no idea who would win so i thought i would ask you guys :H

http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn357/TFDELTA/19_Luffy_vs_Naruto-1.gif

Area
the Chuunin Exams Arena (Naruto)

Time

For Luffy & Zoro Earlier Episodes about the time where they face Buggy the Clown

For Naruto & Sasuke just before they fight Eachother on the Roof.

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[Freehaven]

no location? state of mind? distance? restrictions?

you gotta give us more than fun gifs..

[XtremeGamer]

no location? state of mind? distance? restrictions?

you gotta give us more than fun gifs..

why :lmao fine I will update it now :H

[Harken]

Its not zolo its zoro.

Also either zoro or luffy wins without problem.

[Juggers]

Luffy's probably last one standing. Other than that, hard to say how this would go.

[Johnnu]

Those gifs/videos are shit.
Naruto wouldn't survive Jet Bazooka nor would he keep up with Luffy's speed.

LOL @ Sasuke vs Zoro
Zoro beats the shit out of Sasuke before he can even get caught in Tsukiyomi.

Zoro or Luffy Solo.
Thread should be trashed on how imbalanced this fight really is. >_>

And yes the anime proves this too.
Anime Naruto and Sasuke < Anime Zoro or Anime Luffy

[Freehaven]

Luffy and Zoro during the buggy arc weren't very far from peak human.

Naruto and Sasuke pre-VotE still had CS1, KN0, and boss summons.

i'm not sure how this would no.

[Johnnu]

Luffy's probably last one standing. Other than that, hard to say how this would go.

I agree. Luffy and Zoro during the buggy arc weren't very far from peak human.

Naruto and Sasuke pre-VotE still had CS1, KN0, and boss summons.

i'm not sure how this would no.

Anime Luffy and Anime Zoro > Manga Sasuke and Naruto

Yes that is how powerful One Piece is too Narutoverse

[Freehaven]

Manga feats disagree.

:tsk

[Johnnu]

Manga feats disagree.

:tsk

No.
Thriller Bark Luffy and Zoro take Current Manga Sasuke and Naruto.

Let's hope there are some skittles on that curb so Naruto and Sasuke can taste the rainbow.

[Juggers]

lol Johnny, ur spam proves nothing

Boss summons and kirin makes this close, although Sasuke vs Luffy is a terrible match up due to Luffy's invulnerability to lightning. Sasuke vs Zoro tho would be an interesting fight, as would Luffy vs Naruto.

As I said tho, I think Luffy would at least be left standing at the end.

[XtremeGamer]

Its not zolo its zoro.

oops :oops yeah i know its Zoro it was a Type-o let me fix that

[Moritaka]

Luffy and Zoro.

Naruto and Sasuke are too weak - Zoro is already really strong at the beginning of the One Piece manga, and Gomu Gomu fruit > 2 tails fox

[Lord Genome]

this is a rape fest of incredible proportions

Zoro cut up several cannonballs that were mid shot in an instant

Luffy is just as fast

Naruto and Sasuke get their clocks cleaned baaad

[Johnnu]

lol Johnny, ur spam proves nothing

Boss summons and kirin makes this close, although Sasuke vs Luffy is a terrible match up due to Luffy's invulnerability to lightning. Sasuke vs Zoro tho would be an interesting fight, as would Luffy vs Naruto.

As I said tho, I think Luffy would at least be left standing at the end.

JET
GIGANT
SHELL
BULLLLLET! /s-CRY-ed reference

[Freehaven]

this is a rape fest of incredible proportions

Zoro cut up several cannonballs that were mid shot in an instant

Luffy is just as fast

Naruto and Sasuke get their clocks cleaned baaad

Haku was a casual bullet timer. (speedwise)

Sasuke is even faster than that.

Cannonballs move slower than your average bullet.

[Harken]

Haku was a casual bullet timer. (speedwise)

Sasuke is even faster than that.

Cannonballs move slower than your average bullet.

To be a casual bullet timer you have to move faster than bullets. Nothing in Naruto moves that fast except high tiers and even then its iffy. Certainly with the lack of guns you cant make a statement like causal bullet timer.

Also as far as cannons go you have to take into consideration the situation. They were fired all at the same time and he cut them all mid air. Though It could have been with one slice, I forget if that was the case in the scene/page.

[Freehaven]

To be a casual bullet timer you have to move faster than bullets. Nothing in Naruto moves that fast except high tiers and even then its iffy. Certainly with the lack of guns you cant make a statement like causal bullet timer.

Also as far as cannons go you have to take into consideration the situation. They were fired all at the same time and he cut them all mid air. Though It could have been with one slice, I forget if that was the case in the scene/page.

The Panels in Question:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff317/mydocuments8686/Haku-1.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff317/mydocuments8686/Haku2.jpg

As we can see clearly from these pictures, Haku moves 12 times in the time it takes for splotch of water to fall from about half the height of one of the base mirrors. The mirrors are about the same height as Haku. According to his character profile, he's 155cm, so let's say the height of the mirrors is 1.6m, and half of 1.6 is .8 meters.

Applying the speed of gravity, which is 9.8 meters per second per second, we can find the approximate timeframe for Haku's movement. Of course, we should use the lowest calc to avoid error, so we'll pretend that .8m off the ground is the max height it fell from, so now we just divide 9.8 by .8 to find that it took the water roughly .08 seconds to fall from that height.

Now for the hard part- we have to calculate the distance that Haku traveled in that time frame. He moved between mirrors 12 times at variable distances, but we should be able to eye-ball the measurements since we know the mirrors are about 1.6m tall. Nearly all of the speed lines are longer than the mirrors, some being about the same length and others being over twice as long. Let's say the average distance traveled per mirror = 1.5 times the height of a mirror (I don't think this is unfair), or about 2.4m. 2.4 meters multiplied by 12 is 28.8 meters. 28.8 meters divided by .08 seconds is actually precisely 360 meters per second, or roughly the speed of sound.

Of course, this is an underestimation, mostly because the water had much likely been falling for another meter or two, and the part that we are able to see should be traveling much faster than 9.8 m/s. Also, if we account for perspective, the total distance traveled between mirrors would surely be higher as well.

~Credit goes to Enzymeii on NF. ~

[Harken]

Haku was a casual bullet timer. (speedwise)

Sasuke is even faster than that.

Cannonballs move slower than your average bullet.

Sasuke was not faster than haku in those panels. He was reacting to his linear movements and throwing stuff were he would be. Haku only moved at that speed when inside the mirrors so its not a speed feat as much as its a jutsu feat. Its slightly different, especially considering Haku was holding back. So no Sasuke was not faster than Haku at that point. In fact we cant even proove that sasuke is faster than him now (though he might be) since no speed feats since then compare to that one and many actually disprove that one (pein's five second interval says that cant bullet time for one).

The Panels in Question:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff317/mydocuments8686/Haku-1.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff317/mydocuments8686/Haku2.jpg

As we can see clearly from these pictures, Haku moves 12 times in the time it takes for splotch of water to fall from about half the height of one of the base mirrors. The mirrors are about the same height as Haku. According to his character profile, he's 155cm, so let's say the height of the mirrors is 1.6m, and half of 1.6 is .8 meters.

Applying the speed of gravity, which is 9.8 meters per second per second, we can find the approximate timeframe for Haku's movement. Of course, we should use the lowest calc to avoid error, so we'll pretend that .8m off the ground is the max height it fell from, so now we just divide 9.8 by .8 to find that it took the water roughly .08 seconds to fall from that height.

Now for the hard part- we have to calculate the distance that Haku traveled in that time frame. He moved between mirrors 12 times at variable distances, but we should be able to eye-ball the measurements since we know the mirrors are about 1.6m tall. Nearly all of the speed lines are longer than the mirrors, some being about the same length and others being over twice as long. Let's say the average distance traveled per mirror = 1.5 times the height of a mirror (I don't think this is unfair), or about 2.4m. 2.4 meters multiplied by 12 is 28.8 meters. 28.8 meters divided by .08 seconds is actually precisely 360 meters per second, or roughly the speed of sound.

Of course, this is an underestimation, mostly because the water had much likely been falling for another meter or two, and the part that we are able to see should be traveling much faster than 9.8 m/s. Also, if we account for perspective, the total distance traveled between mirrors would surely be higher as well.

~Credit goes to Enzymeii on NF. ~


I guess I will take a look at the metadome thread as well. From endless mike,

Your numbers and methodology look good, but there is a major point you are overlooking - the nature of Haku's jutsu.

The way it works is that Haku can only use that speed when moving between mirrors, therefore there are only a limited number of paths he can take, and only in a straight line, he can't change direction in mid - movement. Now remember the Sharingan's power is movement prediction. It makes sense that in this kind of scenario that the sharingan would be able to predict Haku's movements better than those of Lee, even if Haku was faster than Lee. That is because there are only a limited number of paths Haku can take. Compare it to how Force users can intercept lightspeed attacks without actually moving that fast. This is probably how Sasuke was able to move Naruto out of the way, because he had predicted the path Haku would take.

As for the sound trio, Dosu was the only one whose attacks actually moved at the speed of sound (since they were sound). And no one was able to perceive or react to them.

[Juggers]

In fact we cant even proove that sasuke is faster than him now (though he might be).

Biggest praise for Sasuke from mootz ever I think.

[Johnnu]

Even if Haku was a bullet timer and all this garbage.
Naruto and Sasuke are not Surviving Lion Song or Jet Gigant Shell BUllet.
Nor Nightmare Rubberstorm

[Lord Genome]

its not the fact that canon balls are faster or slower than bullets, its the fact zoro cut 5-6 of them mid shot

and that was at whiskey peak arc

and rofl at sasuke being a bullet timer

also no im not going to disprove that giant mess you copy pasted from enzymie that was already disproven in that same thread

[Freehaven]

actually, that point was valid and never disproved.

Honestly, you people are such haters.

and Zoro never cut cannonballs at whiskey peak. You couldn't even cut metal at that point.

[Johnnu]

actually, that point was valid and never disproved.

Honestly, you people are such haters.

and Zoro never cut cannonballs at whiskey peak. You couldn't even cut metal at that point.

Okay so?
In old current Anime he cut down Das Bones gave Oz a nasty gash and took everything Luffy got hit with plus whatever he had.

Luffy took an Island Spltter Punch.
That Punch kills Sasuke and Naruto.
Luffy retaliated with not one but two Jet Gigant Shell bullets.

Anime Luffy and Zoro are on a very different Scale than Anime Naruto and Sasuke.

[Harken]

Biggest praise for Sasuke from mootz ever I think.

i feel dirty

Even if Haku was a bullet timer and all this garbage.
Naruto and Sasuke are not Surviving Lion Song or Jet Gigant Shell BUllet.
Nor Nightmare Rubberstorm

none of those techniques are in the OP made by XG
actually, that point was valid and never disproved.

Honestly, you people are such haters.

and Zoro never cut cannonballs at whiskey peak. You couldn't even cut metal at that point.

He couldnt cut steal but he could cut metal, there is a difference. Though this is after where the luffy and zoro from the OP is from so it doesnt matter either way.

[Johnnu]

You mean edited OP >_>

Buggy Arc L and Z vs Roof N and S?

Luffy and Zoro still take.
Onigiri speed blitz either.
Luffy can rubber pistol either into submission.

[Lord Genome]

To lazy to find the cannonball feat atm

honestly even if you want to try to argue that the speed gap is closer, it doesnt change the fact that Naruto and Sasuke are far outmatched skill durabilty and strength wise

i mean what are they going to do

[Freehaven]

this is buggy arc Zoro and Luffy vs. Pre-SRA Naruto and Sasuke.

Zoro can't cut metal. he's not a bullet timer, and luffy doesn't even have gattling gun yet.

stop bringing in post skip feats for this crap.

[Lord Genome]

Luffy in chapter one punched a sea king miles away

what does preskip naruto and sasuke have that can even compare

[Johnnu]

this is buggy arc Zoro and Luffy vs. Pre-SRA Naruto and Sasuke.

Zoro can't cut metal. he's not a bullet timer, and luffy doesn't even have gattling gun yet.

stop bringing in post skip feats for this crap.

Pistol and Onigiri

Also who gives a shit about bullet timing.
Sasuke and Naruto arent even a 1/3 that fast

[Neji]

The Panels in Question:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff317/mydocuments8686/Haku-1.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff317/mydocuments8686/Haku2.jpg

As we can see clearly from these pictures, Haku moves 12 times in the time it takes for splotch of water to fall from about half the height of one of the base mirrors. The mirrors are about the same height as Haku. According to his character profile, he's 155cm, so let's say the height of the mirrors is 1.6m, and half of 1.6 is .8 meters.

Applying the speed of gravity, which is 9.8 meters per second per second, we can find the approximate timeframe for Haku's movement. Of course, we should use the lowest calc to avoid error, so we'll pretend that .8m off the ground is the max height it fell from, so now we just divide 9.8 by .8 to find that it took the water roughly .08 seconds to fall from that height.

Now for the hard part- we have to calculate the distance that Haku traveled in that time frame. He moved between mirrors 12 times at variable distances, but we should be able to eye-ball the measurements since we know the mirrors are about 1.6m tall. Nearly all of the speed lines are longer than the mirrors, some being about the same length and others being over twice as long. Let's say the average distance traveled per mirror = 1.5 times the height of a mirror (I don't think this is unfair), or about 2.4m. 2.4 meters multiplied by 12 is 28.8 meters. 28.8 meters divided by .08 seconds is actually precisely 360 meters per second, or roughly the speed of sound.

Of course, this is an underestimation, mostly because the water had much likely been falling for another meter or two, and the part that we are able to see should be traveling much faster than 9.8 m/s. Also, if we account for perspective, the total distance traveled between mirrors would surely be higher as well.

~Credit goes to Enzymeii on NF. ~
This is just way too obsessive. An entire physical equation to calculate a manga character's speed? I'm sorry but that's some no life shit right. If I wanted to know how fast the nigga was going, I would just ask Dr. Wu

But anyway, on almost any occasion I see Luffy/Zoro winning. Unless it was very beginning Luffy/Zoro vs current Sasuke/Naruto, then it might be an even fight.

[Johnnu]

Freehaven that "stuff" you are bringing from NF was disproved in the very same thread.

Also, You forget that Onigiri is wicked fast and that Luffy's arm was fast enough to Pistol a Seaking hundreds of feet away in a second or two.

Also, Doesn't Luffy get Bazooka/Double Pistol/Rocket in this arc?
If hes does he really pushed his over into a stomp.

Also, Chidori and Rasengan cannot harm Luffy.

[Subrosian]

Oh come on, is this actually a match up? I mean, if Luffy alone goes Gear 2, he'll probably rape the shit out of both Naruto and Sasuke, even if Sasuke can try to use the Sharingan to see his movements.

With Zoro in the mix, Sasuke won't have time to focus on keeping an eye on Luffy in Gear 2, so they're at a complete disadvantage.

The monstrous strength of One Piece characters compared to Naruto isn't even a question of who would win, but more a question of who would die first, Naruto or Sasuke.

[Johnnu]

Oh come on, is this actually a match up? I mean, if Luffy alone goes Gear 2, he'll probably rape the shit out of both Naruto and Sasuke, even if Sasuke can try to use the Sharingan to see his movements.

With Zoro in the mix, Sasuke won't have time to focus on keeping an eye on Luffy in Gear 2, so they're at a complete disadvantage.

The monstrous strength of One Piece characters compared to Naruto isn't even a question of who would win, but more a question of who would die first, Naruto or Sasuke.

OP was edittied.

It now Buggy Luffy and Zoro vs Hospital Naruto and sauceboy

[Subrosian]

Hm, alright. I guess I overlooked that.

At the time, Zoro was incredibly resilient and had high endurance as well as durability, able to take a stab in his ribs, pick up Luffy's cage with blood spurting from his wound and still stand to fight Cabaji later on, sustaining several wounds before he took him down. I'd have to say that his ability to take damage is greater than Naruto and Sasuke.

Luffy was already a beast in strength, considering how far he punched Alvida away with just one punch in the first encounter he had with her. Sasuke's Chidori wouldn't have any effect on him considering it's a lightning based Jutsu and Naruto's Rasengan is a rapidly rotating orb of chakra, but it's still a physical attack and I doubt it would have much of an effect on a rubber man like Luffy, who would most likely just get wrapped and tangled up.

Even with Naruto's Kyuubi chakra, he's only capable of physical attacks, because this isn't the fight when they encountered each other at the Valley of the End, so there wasn't much searing heat he could use with the chakra that surrounds him.

As for Sasuke, his fire based jutsu would probably cause trouble for the two of them, as well as his skills with the projectile based weaponry, but I still don't think that those two could battle Luffy and Zoro and have a hope of victory.

I mean, who have the two of them really beaten that shows their ability to take on guys like Luffy and Zoro?

[Johnnu]

Hm, alright. I guess I overlooked that.

At the time, Zoro was incredibly resilient and had high endurance as well as durability, able to take a stab in his ribs, pick up Luffy's cage with blood spurting from his wound and still stand to fight Cabaji later on, sustaining several wounds before he took him down. I'd have to say that his ability to take damage is greater than Naruto and Sasuke.

Luffy was already a beast in strength, considering how far he punched Alvida away with just one punch in the first encounter he had with her. Sasuke's Chidori wouldn't have any effect on him considering it's a lightning based Jutsu and Naruto's Rasengan is a rapidly rotating orb of chakra, but it's still a physical attack and I doubt it would have much of an effect on a rubber man like Luffy, who would most likely just get wrapped and tangled up.

Even with Naruto's Kyuubi chakra, he's only capable of physical attacks, because this isn't the fight when they encountered each other at the Valley of the End, so there wasn't much searing heat he could use with the chakra that surrounds him.

As for Sasuke, his fire based jutsu would probably cause trouble for the two of them, as well as his skills with the projectile based weaponry, but I still don't think that those two could battle Luffy and Zoro and have a hope of victory.

I mean, who have the two of them really beaten that shows their ability to take on guys like Luffy and Zoro?

See that is the thing.
Your analysis shows them tanking disgusting damage while in Naruto they might get a punched or some dust on them.

Zoro throughout one piece really does get fucked up.
FFS!
He went to town are Arlong Park with the Crew when his wound would have opened on him. And its not a tiny wound either. It was something that would kill him.

[Subrosian]

Ugh, I don't know how I'm going to call this one, honestly. Their worlds are too different for me to compare to see who is going to win, and my brain won't function properly when I just got home from work.

[Satchmo Omega]

Zolo loses, Zoro wins.

[Johnnu]

Zolo loses, Zoro wins.

Naruto and Sasuke get cut down by a single Onigiri.

[Ark]

argh...whats this zolo i keep hearing about...argh?

[Creator]

Buggy version Luffy and Zoro? Cutting them a bit short arent you?

Sasuke and Naruto before SRA. Hm....The OP takes it. :3

[Johnnu]

In all Seriousness Skypeia Luffy and Zoro basically can take on Current Sasuke and Out of Sage mode Current Naruto.

Water 7/Enies Lobby Luffy and Zoro beat Current Sasuke and Current Naruto 10 over 10.

[Subrosian]

Yeah, I'm wanting to say that Zoro's santouryu is more than enough to kill an average human, and Naruto and Sasuke don't seem the type to withstand attacks like that, regardless of what improvements they made. A powerful cut from a sword isn't something so easily taken.

[Springlake]

Yeah, I'm wanting to say that Zoro's santouryu is more than enough to kill an average human, and Naruto and Sasuke don't seem the type to withstand attacks like that, regardless of what improvements they made. A powerful cut from a sword isn't something so easily taken.

Makes sense to me.

But yeah, I agree with everyone else I suppose in that OPverse > Narutoverse.

Who would have guessed? :wah